Caitlin: Hello and welcome to Better Words. It’s our very first episode!
Caitlin: We’re so excited and we have a bit of a special treat for our very first episode. It’s a Harry Potter party!
Caitlin: That sounded like so–
Michelle: Sorry if we just like blew your headphones out of your ears with that sound
Caitlin: Sorry. We’re just so excited. We couldn’t not do out first episode as Harry Potter. But um of course–
Michelle: Maybe we should introduce ourselves first?
Caitlin: Oh of course!
Caitlin: Guys, we will get better at this. But yes, it’s a Harry Potter episode. So I am Caitlin and I blog at Just a Bookish Babe and my co-host Michelle
Michelle: Hi! I blog at The Unfinished Bookshelf
Caitlin: So, we’re really just, as we’ve sort of been saying, we’re two book bloggers who happen to be best friends and we just sort of came up with this and, here we are
Michelle: We also live up the road from each other so–
Caitlin: It’s pretty easy to record actually
Michelle: You know it’s fine, because we would usually spend this time hanging out and chatting about books anyway, but know you get to hear our conversations too, which, I don’t know if that’s a good thing or a bad thing, but hopefully you like it
Caitlin: Hopefully. I mean, I think we’re pretty funny.
Michelle: Yep. I mean, hopefully. I think we are. That’s why we were like ‘hey, maybe people want to hear this, us talking crap about books’
Caitlin: Well, I hope you want to hear it–
Michelle: Well, that’s what podcasts are, I think. Anyway, that’s what my favourite ones are. So, we have an exciting episode planned all about our favourite book series
Michelle: Harry Potter
Caitlin: Harry Potter, yes. Okay. So my first question, Michelle, okay; how did you start reading Harry Potter?
Michelle: Okay, so I wasn’t allowed to read Harry Potter, um, at all as a kid
Caitlin: Was it because of like the witchcraft thing?
Michelle: Yeah. Yep. So my parents were pretty strict with me. I also wasn’t allowed to listen to the Spice Girls or Brittany Spears because of the sexual nature of their music videos or Christina Aguilera. I know, it was very strict
Caitlin: I don’t remember being that into them when I was younger. It was more like Hilary Duff
Michelle: Caitlin is a few years younger than me
Caitlin: Not by much
Michelle: But enough that when I was about six, when the Spice Girls were big and I wanted to listen to them because my friends listened to them, my mum was like ‘no you can’t, their lyrics are inappropriate for children’
Caitlin: [singing] If you wanna be my lover…
Michelle: Now I see that, but then I was like ‘why is life so unfair. Ugh’
Caitlin: Anyway, Harry Potter
Michelle: Harry Potter was part of that as well. Neither of my parents wanted me to read Harry Potter. I think I was about 11 or 12 when my dad was home from work with a broken ankle and he was watching Oprah, as you do (or Opera as my nana calls her)
Michelle: So, Oprah, thank you for bringing Harry Potter into my life. Um. He was watching an interview with JK Rowling, on Oprah and she’s talking about how she had the book rejected so many times and I don’t know, he just was really impressed by her and was like ‘I think you’re old enough to read it now’ and so of course I was like–
Caitlin: When was that?
Michelle: I was in grade 7, so I think was 11 because my birthday is in October
Caitlin: Oh, 11. You were 11–
Michelle: Oh! I was the perfect age, I didn’t realise. So yeah, my birthday’s in October so this was at the start of Grade 7. So I was 11 years old, perfect age for Harry Potter now that I think about it. Of course, when he told me that after school one day I was like ‘oh my god, take me to the library right now’. It took me the whole weekend to read. I loved it so much, I immediately was like ‘please, buy me the rest of these books’, which he did, but also–
Caitlin: When would this have been up to? Probably like book five?
Michelle: No, number six was out, but number six was out in hardback–
Caitlin: Oh okay
Michelle: You know, they have that year of hardback before they bring out the paperback, so it must have only just been released. Um, and my dad picked it up though, before I had returned it to the library and started reading it and was like, ‘hey, this is kinda good’. So, when I discovered Harry Potter, my dad was reading it at the same time because he was home with his broken ankle–
Caitlin: Oh that’s good
Michelle: and couldn’t work. Yeah, it was– so we ended up being quite obsessed with it and talking about it and then of course, when book seven came out I had caught up and I probably only had to wait about six months, which is nothing compared to the time other people had to wait, but I did the whole thing where– So, Rockhampton doesn’t have– Oh, hi, we’re both from Rockhampton–
Caitlin: Just in case
Michelle: Just in case you don’t know. Beef Capital of Australia, I will plug that one. But it is in Central Queensland, it is a regional city, I’m going to call it a city. I have arguments with my friend, hi Antony it’s a city, I know he’s going to be listening to this
Michelle: So yeah, it’s a city. But we don’t have a bookshop any more. Very disappointing for us, but probably good for our bank balances.
Caitlin: Yeah, for sure
Michelle: But at the time, we did have an Angus and Robertson and I remember pre-ordering it, and I got my little card and I lined up on the day and I got my book and um, dad just read the last chapter and found out what happened because he wasn’t going to be bothered reading the whole book. By that stage he was over it, but I loved it. So yeah, that’s how Harry Potter came into my life and when I started reading Harry Potter, that’s when I became very good friends with some people at school. I kind of was a real nerd and had no friends before that, it was very sad. Um, I was getting bullied a little bit, but this kind of found me friends and connected me and I think that’s a story that I keep seeing from a lot of people online. As you know, a lot of people have been talking about their Harry Potter experiences with the 20 years, it’s been so lovely to see the impact this has had on people’s lives–
Caitlin: I definitely agree
Michelle: –and how they found people in the fandom. How about you?
Caitlin: On the friend thing, I don’t know if I necessarily have made friends specifically because of Harry Potter, but it has definitely strengthened so many of my friendships because of the shared love
Michelle: Yes. It’s something you can connect to
Caitlin: Yeah. But as for how I started reading the series? I do not remember
Caitlin: I have to say, I really don’t remember. What I do remember is being about five years old, or six years old, I remember going to a friend’s birthday party and we were watching Chamber of Secrets and I went dressed as Hermione Granger because, those of you who do know me, my hair is like Hermione Granger’s–
Michelle: You’re nerdy too
Caitlin: It was not a very hard costume to create, let’s be real. But, um, yeah so I remember that and–
Michelle: Oh, it’s like Hermione Granger’s hair in the first two movies as well
Caitlin: Yeah. That was literally what my hair was like then. Thanks to layers and thinning haircuts, it’s not as, you know–
Michelle: I don’t know. This morning when you put your hair up in a bun, I was like ‘whoa, what the hell is going on with that hair girl’
Caitlin: [laughs] too much hair. Um, yeah so I don’t remember actually reading the first couple. I remember going to Harry Potter parties and watching the early movies. I do remember that my mum always had the rule that I had to read the book before seeing the movie and so that’s– but I only remember reading Order of the Phoenix when the movie was coming out
Michelle: I wasn’t allowed to watch the movies either for– so I was in Year 7, read them all at the start of Year 7. Dad made me a deal. We bought the movies on DVD, I wasn’t allowed to watch them until the end of of Grade 7, dependant on my results
Michelle: Can we see how I ended up like Hermione? Clearly I wanted to watch those movies
Caitlin: Bribery [laughs]
Michelle: When I was in Year 6, my report card said I talked too much (surprise!) um, my dad was like ‘if your report card comes back saying you talked less during class, I’ll get you a new book’ so I shut up pretty quick
Michelle: Anyway, sorry
Caitlin: That’s amazing. Um, yes so I have a couple of Harry Potter memories like that. Like, I remember when, it must have been in Grade 3, I remember me and I my friends would recite the Howler, from the second movie
Michelle: Oh my god
Caitlin: We would just stand there screaming at each other. It was so much fun. But, um, but yes, no I remember reading Order of the Phoenix because the movie was coming out, or had just come out because I was a bit– like we’ve already said, I was a bit younger than Michelle so I was reading them, probably around the same time, but I was a bit younger. So the movies were coming out and everything. But yes, I remember reading it and I remember reading the first chapter of Order of the Phoenix, which is Dudley Demented, when they get attacked by the Dementors and I remember my mum asking me how I was liking it and I said ‘I already can’t wait to see how they do this in the movie’
Caitlin: Because Dudley was all, like, messed up you know?
Michelle: Yeah. I think he does a good job of that in the films
Caitlin: Yeah, no I really like that
Michelle: Although, I’ve got to say, Order of the Phoenix is my least favourite. I’ve never re-read Order of the Phoenix
Caitlin: Oh see, I have but I agree it’s sort of my least favourite. It always takes me a while to read because–
Michelle: Oh, it’s massive. That is such a turn-off as well and it’s– I don’t like a lot of what happens in that year at school, I just, I– My favourite two I’ve re-read multiple times: books six and seven ‘cause they’re my favourite and yeah, for some reason I always skip Goblet of Fire and Order of the Phoenix and–
Caitlin: I like–
Michelle: It’s not a very orthodox point of view, is it?
Caitlin: I like Order of the Phoenix, I mean, I like them all, let’s be real. But I probably like Order of the Phoenix least. Unfortunately. Which is a shame. I don’t really know why it is because I love Dumbledore’s Army.
Caitlin: I think I don’t like– I mean, Harry is so angry in that one obviously
Michelle: Angsty teen
Caitlin: Yeah. And I think Umbridge is so annoying. And of course as you get to the end, you know what’s going to happen. You know you’re going to get to that point where Sirius dies. It’s real sad
Michelle: I mean, spoiler alert. But if you haven’t read it by now
Caitlin: Oh, I am not apologising for spoiling it. Even the eighth–
Michelle: You should know what’s happening now
Caitlin: The eighth movie came out like five years ago, I’m not apologising
Michelle: That’s true. Where have you been living if you haven’t at least watched Harry Potter?
Caitlin: Yeah. I’m sorry, I’m not apologising for any spoilers in case you don’t know what happens in this series
Michelle: Before we talk about our next little topic, I do just want to do a shoutout to Nook & Burrow because we are burning, the Buttery Beer candle from Form & Flux which is sold by Nook & Burrow, I think they make them too, I’m not really sure how the names work. Apologies Kate if you’re listening–
Caitlin: Sorry, but it smells amazing
Michelle: It does. It smells amazing. It’s so caramely and beautiful and I love it. We also have some chocolate frogs here as well which we’re going to eat later on
Caitlin: Yes. We do. And I’ve been like holding my wand this whole time. We’re really feeling the Harry Potter love
Caitlin: Actually, the next thing I was going to ask you, which you’ve kind of already touched on is: which is your favourite book and which is your favourite movie
Michelle: Okay, so. I’ve kind of already said six and seven are my favourite books, but if I had to choose out of them… ummm… I think maybe six
Caitlin: Six is definitely my favourite. Half-Blood Prince is the best
Michelle: But it’s the worst movie, I will just say
Caitlin: Ohhh, I disagree
Michelle: Oh really?
Caitlin: I love it
Michelle: I hate that they cut out the little fight at the end. I was like– we were in the cinema, I was in the cinema with dad and was like ‘wait ‘til you get to the battle, wait ‘til you get to the battle’ and they bloody cut it out
Caitlin: In the sixth one? With all the Death Eaters there? Oh okay that’s a good point–
Michelle: That’s what I don’t like about it
Caitlin: Because then Bill Weasley just kind of shows up as half a werewolf
Michelle: I agree. Which is why my favourite movie– can I pick Deathly Hallows Part I and II? I can’t separate them.
Caitlin: Okay, but if I had to separate them, I really like Part I
Michelle: I was going to say Part I. Yeah. Because I’m just so happy that it’s so close– I mean, I’m not happy that every single trilogy or series afterwards had to copy them, but I am so happy that they split them and that it was so–
Caitlin: Oh yeah
Michelle: After the disappointment
Caitlin: Can you imagine how bad it would have been if they hadn’t split them?
Michelle: I know. After the disappointment of number six–
Caitlin: Everything would have been cut out
Michelle: I was like so thankful they kept everything in, it’s so close to the book. So, yeah. I think what I really liked–
Caitlin: While I do understand about those kind of things being cut out of the sixth movie, but at the same time–
Michelle: I mean the rest of the movie was good
Caitlin: Oh, it’s just the best because I mean everything– we have all this stuff about Voldemort and Dumbledore’s past and like all of that learning and–
Michelle: Yes, I think that’s what I liked
Caitlin: Leading up, leading up to this finale that we get but then at the same time I mean, Harry with the pincers [clicking noise] and Hermione being jealous of Ron and Lavender and them just–
Michelle: Harry and Ginny kiss. Ahhh
Caitlin: That’s actually probably my least favourite bit in the movie because movie Ginny is ridiculous, let’s just all agree on that now, but it’s so great because it’s like a teen comedy, but it’s Harry Potter. It’s so good
Michelle: It is. She does really weave in the teenage-ness. I don’t know if that’s a word, but I just made it a word
Caitlin: I just really love book six because– I mean I really like them both, and the movie. Slughorn is very interesting as well
Michelle: Yes. I like Slughorn and I like the way we start to see more of the politics coming through. Like, as Harry has grown up. I mean you start to get a glimpse of it–
Caitlin: Well, Fudge is not at the Ministry of Magic anymore
Michelle: Yeah. But we also, like you start to get a hint of it in Prisoner of Azkaban where there’s that conversation that he overhears about Sirius, you start to understand that there’s this whole political system that drives the wizarding world, but it’s so much more apparent. And the thing I loved in number six was that’s starting to bring in our world and the real-world English Prime Minister and stuff
Caitlin: I love that chapter
Michelle: I loved that suddenly there was– you could start to see this system that drives it and there’s so much more depth than just going to a magic school and it really brings in this idea of this whole community and society and world. Which is really cool, because obviously then Fantastic Beasts that expands to show that it’s not just Ministry of Magic in England, but MCUSA
Caitlin: Well yeah, exactly. On that, let’s talk about Fantastic Beasts
Michelle: Wait, wait, wait. You didn’t say what your favourite movie was. Your favourite book and movie
Caitlin: Okay, so hang on. Your favourite book?
Michelle: Number six
Caitlin: Favourite movie? Number seven, part I
Michelle: Seven, part I
Caitlin: Okay. My favourite movie. I don’t want to say six and six. I think my favourite– my favourite book and favourite movie, I’ve never really been able to choose from Prisoner of Azkaban and Half-Blood Prince for either
Michelle: Oh okay, yep
Caitlin: For the sake of this, at this time, right now, I’m going to say favourite movie Prisoner of Azkaban. Favourite book, Half-Blood Prince
Caitlin: Okay. Now on to Fantastic Beasts
Michelle: Okay so, I loved the movie. I loved it
Caitlin: So good
Michelle: Ohhh my goodness
Caitlin: It was really good. It was just everything I was expecting. I actually have a good story to tell about this
Michelle: Okay! Tell me, tell me
Caitlin: Okay so, when Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them came out, I was actually on my first overseas trip so I actually saw the movie in Mexico
Michelle: That’s right, we were all going to go and then we went without out
Caitlin: I think before I left I threatened my friends and was like ‘you can see it, but we have to see it when I get back’
Michelle: And then we didn’t
Caitlin: I didn’t hold you up to that because I saw it already when I was in Mexico, so with that I actually saw Animales fantásticos
Michelle: Very nice pronunciation there
Caitlin: And yes, thank you. Yes, no it was in English otherwise I wouldn’t have been able to keep up with it. It was in English with Spanish subtitles. But yes, no that was really awesome and I’m always going to remember that. And I made my aunt who I was travelling with, I made her take photos with the poster and everything because I was like ‘it’s Animales fantásticos’. It was just so cool
Michelle: That’s so cool. Well, I was just here
Caitlin: Oh whatever, you were here, I was in another country
Michelle: It would have been nice if we’d all been able to see it together because at that point we had a nice little group
Caitlin: We haven’t watched it together ye
Michelle: We haven’t! We should do that for this podcast
Michelle: So keen for that. We’re not going to– like obviously we’ll go do it and then talk about it. We’re not gonna make– anyway, I’m going to shut up now. So I really loved it. I loved the setting and the Art Deco Ohhhh
Caitlin: Oh yes. It was beautiful. And all of the costumes
Michelle: It was so gorgeous
Caitlin: I think my favourite thing was Queenie
Michelle: Yes. Queenie is everything
Caitlin: I love Queenie so much. Ahhh
Michelle: She is–
Caitlin: I mean Tina is good, but Queenie though. She was so cute
Michelle: Um, can we just talk about how cute Jacob is? I just love him as a character and he better be coming back because he was awesome
Caitlin: I think it was announced that he is
Michelle: Oh thank god. Okay, he is so cute
Caitlin: I was really worried about that because–
Michelle: Oh, wait but, but, but, but then he comes up with all that stuff for the bakery. Like I thought the ending was super cute
Michelle: Like, just a hint of what they–
Caitlin: And they were like, ‘how do you come up with this stuff?’ and he’s like ‘I dunno! I dunno!’
Caitlin: Ohhh so adorable
Michelle: It’s such a cute way to end the movie, that Newt helps him out and stuff–
Caitlin: Yes, with the eggs
Michelle: And the hint at Newt and Tina’s relationship which is confirmed if you have looked at Fantastic Beasts
Caitlin: Well, exactly
Michelle: If you haven’t looked at the book–
Caitlin: If you look at the textbook–
Michelle: They are together
Caitlin: If you have the textbook that JK Rowling published a couple of years ago, it actually has a bit about Newt Scamander before any of this movie or the screenplay came up and he is married to Tina so, we’ll get there in this series
Michelle: Eddie Redmayne is just–
Caitlin: Oh he is perfect as Newt
Michelle: He is so good and I first–
Caitlin: He is so good. The dance!
Michelle: What dance?
Caitlin: The mating dance. Best bit ever
Michelle: Oh my goodness. So cute
Caitlin: I love that he’s a Hufflepuff too. Hufflepuff present. Represent!
Michelle: Just in case anyone is wondering, I’m a Ravenclaw. Yep. No one was wondering. It’s fine.
Michelle: No one’s probably listening. Hi mum, if you’re listening. Oh well. Anyway
Michelle: [laughs] If you’re listening, thanks for joining us
Michelle: Anyway I love Eddie Redmayne. I first saw him in Pillars of the Earth, I think before he got kind of famous. I feel like a hipster being like ‘I liked him as an actor’ before he was famous
Caitlin: I don’t know what I would have first seen him is, but to be honest it was probably the Les Mis movie–
Michelle: Oh true! Yeah well he was– my research might be wrong, but you know what I’m not going to do any research, let’s be honest, the bare minimum research we have to for this, but I think Pillars of the Earth probably came out before Les Mis and he was just like, he was a small character which became a bigger character in Pillars of the Earth. I mean, if you haven’t watched Pillars of the Earth series, if you like Game of Thrones, you’ll like Pillars of the Earth. Just if you’re looking for a new book there
Caitlin: The other thing, was the current stage of this franchise–
Michelle: Oh wait, wait, wait. Before we go on, sorry can we just talk about one thing I hate in Fantastic Beasts?
Caitlin: Johnny Depp
Michelle: Yes. How’d you know I was going to say that?
Caitlin: Because you hate Johnny Depp
Michelle: Can we just, like– why is someone who–
Caitlin: Wait. You know what I don’t understand about that?
Caitlin: Is like when it was revealed or whatever that it was actually Johnny Depp, I was super confused because how didn’t that get leaked?
Michelle: Oh, like that it was going to be him?
Caitlin: How did we know everything about the movie, but not that Johnny Depp is in the movie?
Michelle: I’m just so disappointed–
Michelle: Because, I mean stop giving this guy good roles
Caitlin: I think it’s a bit of an odd choice to be honest. That’s not what I thought Grindlewald would look like at all
Michelle: Apart from that, can we stop giving this guy high profile roles? Like, [sigh] I– okay, I, I, I just boycotted the latest Pirates of the Caribbean movie, although I have heard that Paul McCartney is in it, so I kinda want to see it being a Beatles freak, but I just– I just
Caitlin: What? I didn’t know that?
Michelle: Oh yes! Someone wrote on my Instagram that– I think I did a post about the Beatles and someone was like ‘did you know Paul’s in the–’ yeah. Apparently he is.
Caitlin: That’s so bizarre. Anyway
Michelle: Anyway, um I–
Caitlin: In case you can’t tell, we’re just not really Johnny Depp fans
Michelle: Um, in case you haven’t heard any of the stuff about Johnny Depp, it’s alleged that he abused his ex-partner Amber Heard and I mean, only like a week or two ago, they– like his ex-publicists came out with confirmation that she’s not just making this up– oh, that was my ring, sorry [laughs]. She’s not just making this up, like, people have come out and corroborated her story so why are we giving him roles, and I read this really great article, I can’t re– I think it was for, I can’t remember which publication it was for, but we’ll link it, but it basically said that like that the generation after us, or people after us are gonna look at Johnny Depp the way we look at Bill Cosby and be like ‘why was he so famous? Why was he so popular when all these abuse allegations–’
Caitlin: Gosh, that’s interesting
Michelle: Like, okay, he’s abuse of Amber Heard isn’t the same as the allegation against Bill Cosby, the rape allegations and stuff, but it’s still horrible nonetheless and it’s still, I don’t think he should be getting parts because, I just– he’s not even that great of an actor. Like, he just plays the same character in every project
Caitlin: I mean, we are not Johnny Depp fans and, you know, we both know plenty of people that are
Michelle: Like, my best friends who are probably going to listen to this are going to be like ‘what the hell, is that why you didn’t come to Pirates of the Caribbean’ I’m sorry, but I just don’t like him as– we’re both feminists and I think we both– these abuse allegations are really bad. I didn’t like him that much before, but these abuse allegations, it’s like don’t give this guy roles
Caitlin: I have to admit, also– I think my favourite Johnny Depp role, that I’ve really seen– you know, I appreciate umm… oh what is it, um [laughs] oh shoot
Michelle: Edward Scissorhands
Caitlin: Yes! That’s what I was thinking of
Michelle: I just guessed that. I just guessed
Caitlin: I mean, I appreciate– I haven’t seen it in years, but I appreciate it
Michelle: It’s so old. He’s not going to be the same actor anymore
Caitlin: Well, exactly. I appreciate some of his younger stuff, like Edward Scissorhands and What’s Eating Gilbert Grape
Michelle: Yeah, Gilbert Grape is really good
Caitlin: But even–
Michelle: Those movies are like 25 years old now
Caitlin: I know, but that’s my point. The more recent things, the only more recent movies that he’s been in that I’ve really appreciated, he’s not even really in it and that’s because he has a cameo in 21 Jump Street
Caitlin: And I thought that it was really funny because obviously he was in the original TV series, which I have never seen, but–
Michelle: And that’s what this article was saying, as well. That you know, roles that he’s taken on that haven’t been box office successes would have ruined the career of another actor
Michelle: And I just– I don’t care if there’s a character change mid-way through Fantastic Beasts because they did it with Harry Potter, just take Johnny Depp out of Fantastic Beasts, please
Caitlin: To be fair, when they did it with Harry Potter, it was because actors had died
Michelle: Yeah well, this guy allegedly abused his girlfriend
Caitlin: Wouldn’t be the first time anyone got replaced and I want to see what happens with the character of Grindlewald in the continuation of this series
Michelle: It’s just really like, I kind of, it’s sad that like why is this happening when JK Rowling is so outspoken on a lot of things. Why is Johnny Depp in the film? Because we know she’s involved in the process
Caitlin: Well yeah, but you know what? The timing was really off. By the time this came out–
Michelle: That’s true
Caitlin: By the time it came out, this is the last thing I’m going to say on this topic, but when it actually came out and when I was actually watching it, the last thing I had really known about it
Michelle: [sharp intake of breath]
Both: Was the thing with the dogs
Michelle: Oh, okay so if you’re not listening from Australia or don’t follow the news that much, Johnny Depp apparently, according to this article allegedly knew that he was smuggling his dogs into Australia
Caitlin: Well, because they came in by like a private plane, he smuggled his dogs into Australia
Michelle: Allegedly, but
Caitlin: It turned into a whole big thing here, it was while he was filming the last Pirates of the Caribbean movie
Michelle: Okay let’s be honest–
Caitlin: Honestly, the whole situation was hilarious
Michelle: I’m going to be the grumpy person here and say biosecurity is important
Caitlin: No, there is a reason why we have so many laws about it in Australia
Michelle: More was made because of who he is. There were some funny things said by our Deputy Prime Minister, not necessarily saying I agree with them, all I’m going to say is biosecurity is important. If I can find the videos of the apology from Amber Heard and Johnny Depp
Michelle: They look like they’re being held hostage by Barnaby Joyce
Caitlin: There is an Australian YouTuber, she did one where it was like their video and then it would sort of cut to her where she was like directing it
Caitlin: She was like ‘no! Don’t be grumpy’
Michelle: I feel like, I feel like Barnaby Joyce was like ‘yes, this is what we want’. But yes, I’m sorry, Pistol and Boo should have been declared, that’s all I’m going to say on the matter
Caitlin: It’s a bit of a–
Michelle: oh and a final, final thing: Let’s get Johnny Depp out of Fantastic Beasts
Caitlin: Onto different casting in Fantastic Beasts: Jude Law as Albus Dumbledore. Opinions.
Michelle: Well, I do like Jude Law–
Caitlin: I think he’s going to do a really good job
Michelle: A lot more than Johnny Depp, just by the way
Caitlin: I’m looking forward to it
Michelle: Yeah, I’m looking forward to it. I’m really, like honestly am not looking forward to it if Johnny Depp is going to be in it. Like, honestly, it really puts me off even though I love this franchise so much. But Jude Law is brilliant
Caitlin: When it was first announced, I mean, I don’t really know what I expected young Dumbledore to look like
Michelle: Yeah, I like Jude Law. He’s good
Caitlin: Okay. Other things. Cursed Child
Michelle: Um. Okay. You have a lot of opinions on this
Caitlin: I want to see the play so badly
Michelle: Oh yeah, I want to see it live, but since we live in Australia, until it starts touring it’s probably not going to be possible to see it, so what did you think of the book/script
Caitlin: It’s not a book
Caitlin: It’s a screenplay, in my opinion
Michelle: The book copy of the script then
Caitlin: It was a rehearsal script. My biggest thing with this was that everyone I think expected it to be the eighth book and it is not the eighth book, it is a story originating– we don’t really know a lot about this actually, but the story originated obviously it’s based on a story by JK Rowling, whether this means she had anything to do with the actual plot for Cursed Child, we don’t know
Michelle: Yeah, it is hard to know
Caitlin: Basically, based on a story by JK Rowling could refer to the original series
Michelle: That’s true
Caitlin: I don’t know that much about it. Although, it is an official Harry Potter thing
Caitlin: She would have had something to do with it, or okayed it. So yes, no matter what your opinion on the story line is, I actually think it’s quite interesting
Michelle: I do, but the thing with the trolley lady was weird. A couple of things are weird but overall I enjoyed it. It’s not an eighth book. I see it something else that’s out there, doesn’t have to–
Caitlin: It’s just like Fantastic Beasts. Lots of people will say that things in Fantastic Beasts maybe don’t line up, about what we know from– about Dumbledore and Grindlewald from the original series, but it’s an extension just like Cursed Child is an extension and oh, my biggest thing with this is, yes, people expected an eighth book, but I think they were reading it as a book. We are both actually–
Michelle: Oh, well let’s– I mean, okay. Caitlin more so than me. Caitlin, you’ve done way more– I’ve done one. I’ve done one–
Caitlin: You’re still into theatre
Caitlin: I’ve done more shows both backstage and being on stage in productions here, but I think that means a lot of people don’t know how to read a script like that
Caitlin: When you’re reading it, novels obviously have such rich descriptive language, with a stage play, it’s different because we don’t get told that much about what they’re wearing or what the set looks like so you have to imagine it. And when I was reading it and imaging it, I was really imaging it on a stage, like I was in the audience and reading the script and looking up and seeing these people and it did, it did help a little bit that we have obviously seen pictures of the original cast so I could imagine them, but it’s not a book, guys
Michelle: I will say–
Caitlin: Don’t read it as a book
Michelle: I do love Hermione as Minister for Magic
Caitlin: Yes, so do I
Michelle: Oh and you know what? I love black Hermione as well, if I can say it like that. I love the cast that was chosen for the play. If you have an issue with that, get out. Like, just go. It’s brilliant. Hermione can be anyone. Hermione is all of us.
Caitlin: Hermione is everyone. Everyone is Hermione. I mean, the only thing is like, guess what? Even if they re-do them or maybe if they do make Cursed Child into a movie or if JK Rowling does write a different eighth sort of installment that isn’t Cursed Child, that is something different, the cast– Harry, Ron and Hermione are never going to be Danielle, Emma and Rupert ever again
Michelle: Yeah. And let’s be honest, a lot of us, like I look at Emma Watson and I’m like yes, she’s Hermione to me. But she’s Hermione for a specific generation and we can have ner Hermiones. And I saw this really beautiful thing, this is off topic a little bit, but I saw this really beautiful thing that was like a generation grew up with Hermione Granger being Emma Watson or, sorry, with Emma Watson being Hermione Granger and now a new generation are going to grow up with her being Belle and I loved that. That is so sweet
Caitlin: That is sweet. I loved Emma as Belle
Michelle: But, like, let’s, let’s– they are the movie. Guys, let’s be honest there could be reboots of Harry Potter in the future, I mean, look at how many–
Caitlin: They probably will
Michelle: I mean, we have different versions of Anne of Green Gables, which is a different topic, but you know they have different versions of Pride and Prejudice and stuff. There’s no guaranteeing that these people will be the only people who will ever play that cast
Caitlin: I am sure in our lifetime that we will see a reboot of Harry Potter and to be perfectly honest with you, it would be my dream for Emma Watson to play Minerva McGonagall
Caitlin: And Daniel Radcliffe to play Severus
Michelle: Ohhh that’s a good one
Caitlin: And Rupert Grint, I want to say Mr Weasley but it’s so easy, but I think he would also make a really good Dumbledore
Michelle: Oh really?
Caitlin: It’s really weird but I would like to see it. I think it’s a bit strange, but obviously if they’re a lot older. I mean, Rupert Grint people kind of tend to focus on Daniel Radcliffe and Emma Watson, I think, but Rupert Grint is great
Michelle: Rupert Grint is brilliant in this film called Wild Target, with Emily Blunt. This was like, before she was super famous, I loved Emily Blunt. I think it came out in 2011. That was the first time I’d seen her in anything big. I loved her. That’s got Bill Nighy. I made Caitlin watch it because it’s one of my favourite movies
Caitlin: It’s so good
Michelle: So yeah, if you haven’t watched that, Wild Target is underrated as well. But Rupert Grint is so funny in it
Caitlin: You know what I also think is a bit underrated for Rupert Grint, to be honest? The Lego House clip
Michelle: Ohh how’d I know you were going to say that?! I was gonna say it. Yes
Caitlin: He’s so good in that. It’s a bit silly to say, but you know. Also, have you seen that video of Rupert Grint reading Shape of You as a dramatic poem?
Michelle: No! We’re going to link that. We’ll link that
Caitlin: He’s like [serious] ‘I’m in love with your body’.
Caitlin: It’s fantastic. I’m going to make you watch it afterwards.
Michelle: Okay. Then we’re going to link it, so you can watch it with us
Michelle: Oh my god, that’s so good
Caitlin: Alright Michelle, now I have some games for you
Michelle: Didn’t you say you had a present. Not being greedy, but you said something about a present?
Caitlin: I’m so excited about Harry Potter that I forgot about our present. But yes, I did get Michelle a present for our first episode. It’s Harry Potter themed
Michelle: I feel bad because I didn’t get Caitlin a present
Caitlin: Oh whatever, it’s fine. I mean, I have to admit, when you see it (and we’ll tell you about it, obviously) you will understand
Michelle: Okay. That’s fine. I haven’t seen it, we’re opening it on air. While you get that, I’m going to take a bite of my chocolate frog
Caitlin: Close your eyes
Michelle: Eyes closed. Hands out. Oh my god, it’s like fabric-y. Oh my god! Okay, these are– my mouth is full of chocolate, you go first [laughs]
Caitlin: Okay, I got myself Hufflepuff socks and Michelle Ravenclaw socks, so–
Michelle: Oh my goodness and they have the deathly hallows. So there’s a pack of three. I’m guessing these are from Jay Jays which is my favourite–
Michelle: My favourite Harry Potter supplies store is Jay Jays
Caitlin: Yes, fantastic. So mine, we– I have like black and yellow stripes with the Hufflepuff crest
Michelle: Those ones are so cute
Caitlin: Then I have ones with the little scar and glasses in the house colours and then ones that have the symbols, so it’s got lions and badgers and eagles
Michelle: [laughs] lions and tigers and bears
Both: oh my
Michelle: So mine, I’ve got one that’s like blue and black with the Ravenclaw crest, and then I’ve got the same black with the house animals and then a pair of white with black deathly hallows symbols on them which is so cool. Thank you!
Caitlin: So we have matching Harry Potter socks now
Michelle: Yay! This is so cute
Caitlin: In our respective houses
Michelle: And you know what? I’m sure that these are going to make an appearance on our respective Instagrams as well
Caitlin: 100 per cent
Michelle: We might even post a picture on our Better Words Instagram @bookish– oh god, what am I saying
Caitlin: First episode, it’s okay
Caitlin: Better Words. This podcast is called Better Words.
Michelle: Not bookish podcast, that’s a description
Caitlin: Okay, now are you ready for the games?
Michelle: Yes. Can I– okay, I’m going to take another bite of my Freddo though. Oh wait! Are we gonna try the– we’ve got some Bertie Bott’s Every Flavour Beans here to try. Okay.
Caitlin: So, okay, first one we’re going to do is like This or That. I’m going to tell you a few things and you have to pick. Don’t take too long and I don’t really want explanations
Michelle: Okay. Fine, I’ll try then. I’ll do what I’m told
Caitlin: Okay. So, Harry Potter This or That. Gryffindor or Slytherin?
Caitlin: Gryffindor. Hermione or Ginny?
Michelle: Hermione. 100 per cent. I am her.
Caitlin: Alright. Fine. Harry–
Michelle: Wait. Which one are you going?
Caitlin: Ginny. I mean, I love Hermione, but Ginny
Michelle: Okay. This is good. To have some diversity
Caitlin: Okay. Harry or Ron?
Caitlin: Ron. Neville or Luna?
Michelle: Neville’s so loyal. I love him
Caitlin: I love Luna. She’s nuts. Every single, like quiz which is like ‘which Harry Potter character are you?’ I get Luna [laughs]
Michelle: I never really do them, because let’s be honest, I’m going to get Hermione
Michelle: And if I didn’t, the quiz is broken
Caitlin: Okay. Snape or Umbridge?
Michelle: Ohh Snape. Snape, Snape
Caitlin: Severus Snape
Michelle: I’ll link that video too, if you haven’t seen it
Caitlin: Okay. Dumbledore or Voldemort
Caitlin: I find Voldemort really interesting. I think his background is really interesting
Michelle: Dumbledore’s got some secrets too
Caitlin: Yeah, I know
Michelle: Exposure in Fantastic Beasts, hopefully
Caitlin: Yes. Okay. Actually, I know I said no explanations, but you know what I really want?
Caitlin: Is for us to find out that Ariana was an obscurus.
Michelle: Oh yeah. Yeah. I thought that
Caitlin: She 100 per cent is
Michelle: I thought that in the Fantastic Beasts movie, that’s what I thought too
Caitlin: Yep. Okay–
Michelle: Oh, just quietly too, while we’re talking about Fantastic Beasts um, I hope Credence comes back, but each time I hear his name, I just think Creedence Clearwater Revival cause I am an old person trapped inside a Millenial’s body
Caitlin: Okay, my next one: Hagrid or Minerva McGonagall?
Michelle: Aww this is hard!
Caitlin: I’m going McGonagall, she’s a badass
Michelle: I know, but I’m going to go Hagrid because he’s got like the heart of a giant, he’s so beautiful. I love Hagrid so much. The Hapee Birthdae cake gets me every time. Awww
Caitlin: Okay. Order of the Phoenix or Dumbledore’s Army
Michelle: Dumbledore’s Army
Caitlin: Yeah, same. Charms or transfiguration? I’d pick charms
Michelle: I’m picking transfiguration
Caitlin: Okay. History of Magic or Ancient Ruins?
Michelle: History of Magic
Caitlin: Yeah, same. Divination or Care of Magical Creatures?
Michelle: Care of Magical Creatures because Divination is bullshit
Caitlin: Honestly, I think I’d pick Divination. I’m not a big animal person–
Michelle: You just like cups of tea, don’t you? I don’t like animals either but I’d be like Hermione, I’d be like this is crap, I’m walking out
Caitlin: I think I would have fun with it. Thank you for that This or That
Michelle: That was cool
Caitlin: Now I have some Harry Potter Would You Rather?
Caitlin: So, my first question is: a gross Bertie Bott’s Every Flavour Bean or a Cockroach Cluster?
Michelle: Wait. Do the Cockroach Clusters actually have cockroaches in them? Because that’s disgusting
Caitlin: To be honest, I’m not 100 per cent sure.
Michelle: Yuck. Beans. I don’t want to eat an insect. I know that’s like the next big thing, eating insects and stuff–
Caitlin: [rattles box] These are our jellybeans everyone
Michelle: The next big thing is eating insects, but [retching noise]
Caitlin: Okay. Just because we just mentioned it, I literally have some Bertie Bott’s Every Flavour Beans. We’re both going to try one and see what we get
Michelle: Oh my god. I’ve heard these are all bad. Okay. I’m getting a red one. Red with little dots on it. I hope it’s something nice–
Caitlin: I picked up a pink one that’s probably gonna be like bubblegum
Michelle: I hope it’s something nice like strawberry. Ew that’s gross
Caitlin: I got a grey one that’s got black dots on it
Michelle: This is okay, but I thought because–
Caitlin: I’m not really sure because–
Michelle: I’m not sure what it is, but I reckon it might be some sort of– earthworm! Ew that’s gross. That’s what I got
Caitlin: I think I got black pepper. Eugh.
Michelle: Ew. Earthworm. Yuck.
Caitlin: Okay, so that’s for bearing with us through that. Okay, my next question: Would you rather fight a Basilisk or be a champion in the Tri-Wizard Tournament?
Michelle: Obviously if you do Bas– [mumbles] my pronunciation is terrible. If you fight a Basilisk, you only have to do it once. Tri-Wizard tournament is a tournament so you have multiple challenges where you can die
Caitlin: You can die from a Basilisk
Michelle: Well, I know–
Caitlin: Basilisk venom only has one antidote
Michelle: What is that again?
Caitlin: Phoenix tears
Michelle: Oh that’s right! [laughs] I am an idiot. Um. Ahhh that’s really hard. I don’t want to fight a Basilisk
Caitlin: Sheer survival, I know, sheer survival, because what if I don’t have a Phoenix, I think I’m going to have to go Tri-Wizard Tournament
Michelle: I know, but I’m just so lazy for that
Caitlin: At least you get time to prepare
Michelle: That’s true. They do– you do get some skills. I want to do Tri-Wizard Tournament too because like, at least you get glory if you get through at the end. What do you get from a Basilisk?
Caitlin: Yeah you win like, 1000 gallons don’t you? Galleons. Gallons? Not gallons, Galleons.
Michelle: We’re going to tell you right from the first episode, this podcast is going to test our pronunciation skills
Caitlin: Of so many things. I mean, I love this series so much and I just said gallons, not Galleons.
Michelle: And I will say we have pre-recorded some other episodes before this and we are terrible at pronunciation, particularly me. Um, but yeah bear with us
Caitlin: Not particularly you, but that’s okay. Okay, my next Would You Rather question.
Caitlin: Would you rather spend one night in Azkaban or break into Gringotts?
Michelle: I’m gonna go Azkaban
Caitlin: Same. Because if you break into Gringotts you might have to spend the rest of your life there
Michelle: Oh, I didn’t even think of that. I just thought breaking in sounds hard and just staying in a place overnight and trying to think happy thoughts doesn’t sound that bad
Caitlin: I mean, I’m sure it would be awful
Michelle: Oh yeah, I’m sure, but breaking in sounds like way too much work
Michelle: –for this lazy person, this lazy muggle
Caitlin: Okay, now I have– my next two questions are a bit similar
Caitlin: Would you rather date Cho Chang or date Lavender Brown?
Michelle: I’m going to go Cho Chang because Lavender sounds like a bit of a flake
Caitlin: I have to admit, I was gonna go with Lavender Brown because, well from what we really know about Cho Chang she seems a bit messed up and at least Lavender Brown would be fun to hang around with.
Michelle: That’s true
Caitlin: She’s just not Ron’s cup of tea, because Ron’s in love with Hermione
Michelle: I’m still going to go with Cho Chang. I like her
Caitlin: Now, my next one: date Viktor Krum or Dean Thomas?
Michelle: Mmm Dean Thomas because he sounds more down to Earth than Vikor. Sorry, you seem like a bit of a dick
Caitlin: I mean, I have nothing against Vikor really, I just think Dean Thomas always seems a lot nicer and holy hell, the actor that plays him (I know it’s not really him), but the actor that played him in the movies is really attractive
Michelle: Yep. Yep, I’m going Dean. He just seems like down to Earth
Caitlin: Okay, now my last Would You Rather question. Would you rather have detention writing with Umbridge’s quill that writes with your blood or cleaning all the trophies in the trophy room, by hand while coughing up slugs?
Michelle: Oh my god, that’s such a good one [laughs]. Um, what would you go with?
Caitlin: I mean, the other one would like scar you for life. I mean, while throwing up slugs is very annoying–
Michelle: That’s true. I have a very low pain threshold so I’m gonna go slugs
Caitlin: Yeah, me too
Michelle: I just can’t stand– I mean, waxing hurts so having a– just–
Caitlin: I really don’t think I could do that and it scars you for life and god knows what I’d have to write
Michelle: Yeah. Ouch
Caitlin: You know? Even if I was going to write ‘I love Harry Potter’ over and over again and that would be on my hand forever, I still don’t think I would want that on my hand forever
Michelle: The pain! No I’m not good with pain, even like little things so, nup, no I’m doing slugs
Michelle: Slugs it is
Caitlin: Slugs it is. Okay, well there you go, that was all my Would You Rather questions actually. I hope you had fun with them
Michelle: Yeah, they were good
Caitlin: And I hope everyone that is listening to this enjoyed these little games because we are going to do these for the rest of the episodes. So not as many, this is more of a–
Michelle: This is our celebration
Caitlin: Harry Potter party, as we said. Um–
Michelle: But hey, Tweet us and let us know what your answers would be too
Caitlin: Exactly! Do you disagree with us? We had similar answers for a fair few of them.
Michelle: Let us know what house you’re in, let us know your favourite book and why. Where can people get in touch with us Caitlin?
Caitlin: @Betterwordspod on Twitter and Instagram, we also have a Facebook page @Betterwordspodcast and you can also check out our website betterwordspodcast.com. And please, if you liked this episode we would really love you to come back and listen to the rest of them, so you should subscribe on iTunes
Michelle: Because we have some really, really exciting guests coming up over the next few weeks
Caitlin: Even the next few days, because remember this is the first episode of our launch week, so today is Monday, the 31st of July. We have an episode coming out on Wednesday, Friday, next Monday and Wednesday and then our regular podcast day will be Wednesday after that
Michelle: So you have so many bookish things to enjoy this week. We love you for joining us, thank you so much for joining us. We really, really do appreciate it and hope that you enjoyed this too. Yeah, get in touch with us, let us know what you think on all these questions
Caitlin: Exactly. So, follow us on the socials and leave us a rating and review on iTunes and don’t forget to subscribe. And have a very Harry– [laughs] have a very happy Harry Potter day!